Liverpool : Le club est à vendre

Julienggg le Cousserguois a écrit:

rich56ynwa a écrit:Non je n'est pas lu les anciens post ?

Ben tu prends 2 minutes pour les lire avant de demander, on n'est jamais mieux servi que par soi-même...

julingg revient et il flingue déjà

pitou a écrit:

Julienggg le Cousserguois a écrit:

rich56ynwa a écrit:Non je n'est pas lu les anciens post ?

Ben tu prends 2 minutes pour les lire avant de demander, on n'est jamais mieux servi que par soi-même...

julingg revient et il flingue déjà

Je reviens de vacances, et comme quand on te réveille après un très beau rêve, je suis de mauvais poil! Pis j'ai jamais été connu pour ma finesse...

Julienggg le Cousserguois a écrit:

pitou a écrit:

Julienggg le Cousserguois a écrit:

rich56ynwa a écrit:Non je n'est pas lu les anciens post ?

Ben tu prends 2 minutes pour les lire avant de demander, on n'est jamais mieux servi que par soi-même...

julingg revient et il flingue déjà

Je reviens de vacances, et comme quand on te réveille après un très beau rêve, je suis de mauvais poil! Pis j'ai jamais été connu pour ma finesse...

Oh que non ...

ha ça , c'est avec toi que l'expression " fin comme un julieng " prend tout son sens

fing comme julieng tu veux dire

pitou a écrit:fing comme julieng tu veux dire

merci de la correction !!

Liverpool: Le Board rejette l'hypothèque

Les deux propriétaires américains de Liverpool, George Gillett et Tom Hicks ont souhaité cet été refinancer le club en hypothéquant les derniers actifs restant: le stade d’Anfield Road, le centre d’entraînement, les droits TV, et même les joueurs! Selon ESPN.co.uk, il se murmure que les deux hommes pourrait recommencer cette manœuvre avant le 6 octobre, date à laquelle ils devront rembourser 237 millions de livres sterling à la Royal Bank of Scotland, auxquels s’ajoutent 60 millions d’honoraires qui courent depuis avril. Seulement voilà, le Board de Liverpool contient cinq membres, et les trois autres font pour l’instant bloc pour remporter la décision par trois votes à deux. La situation pourrait se terminer devant les tribunaux… Affaire à suivre.

Source : Sports.fr

Ca devient vraiment n'importe quoi

on risque de jouer en championship ou pire l'an prochain

je ne sais pas si on peut hypothéquer les droits tv ...

Je pense qu'ils hypothéqueraient les supporters si ils le pouvaient ...

belle bande d'enculé

Les enfoirés ils sont en train de détruire une institution!!

je vais comettre un meurtre

C'est abusé de pouvoir détruire un des plus grands clubs du monde sans scrupule, juste pour sa geule, d'avoir ca sur la confiance et de ne rien en avoir a fouttre...
On peut se cottiser pour un tueur a gage aussi.

[quote="Antoine"]C'est abusé de pouvoir détruire un des plus grands clubs du monde sans scrupule, juste pour sa geule, d'avoir ca sur la confiance et de ne rien en avoir a fouttre...
On peut se cottiser pour un tueur a gage aussi.[/quote]

Cotisez déjà au projet de ATK du forum The Liverpool Way qui consiste à acheter une page de pub dans un canard, c'est moins cher, moins risqué et plus efficace !

https://liverpool-france.forumactif.com/toutes-les-news-de-lfc-live-des-matchs-f1/une-action-mediatique-contre-hg-une-souscription-en-ligne-t1035.htm#50521

Sérieusement, parfois dans la vie, on est confrontés à certains problèmes ou les moyens légaux ne suffisent plus ...

Je parle pas d'un tueur à gage mais faut les faire flipper ces 2 batards.

toinou LFC a écrit:Sérieusement, parfois dans la vie, on est confrontés à certains problèmes ou les moyens légaux ne suffisent plus ...

Je parle pas d'un tueur à gage mais faut les faire flipper ces 2 batards.

Fais gaffe, si tu plastiques leur hotel ils vont faire sauter ta paillote.

P*tain mais m*rde, foutons leurs le feu a ces deux *******!!!! Ils arrivent a DETRUIRE notre club, un club mythique, une institution, une légende dans le monde du foot!


YANKS IN JAIL!

VoN a écrit:
YANKS IN JAIL!

Au moins, çà, c'est légal.

Brittanyred a écrit:

VoN a écrit:
YANKS IN JAIL!

Au moins, çà, c'est légal.

Mais ça ne va jamais se faire...et pourtant ils le méritent...Ils ont fais un peu (pour tous ceux qui aiment le football) beaucoup(pour tous les fans du LFC a travers la planète, énormement (pour tous les grand fan, pour les véritable scousers, pour ceux qui suivent le club depuis des années, etc, etc...)

Et pourtant, d'après ce que je sais, ils n'ont rien fait d'illégal au sens juridique du terme...donc pas de retombé juridique pour eux...Ils ne risquent pour ainsi dire rien.. ( A peur leur peau si ils se balladent a Liverpool!)


Bref, ça me rend fou cette histoire...Je vais être un peu cru mais pour moi ils peuvent crevés ces deux machins...On ne s'en portera que mieux!

YANKS OUT!

ils font forts,quand même.
bref,ils sont aussi fréquentables que n'importe quels milliardaires,quoi.....

Article De David Maddock sur le site du Daily Mirror, qui explique très bien la gravité de la situation :



David Maddock column Why there's a very real chance that Liverpool could go bust on October 6 unless fans act now to prevent Hicks and Gillett ruining club - David Maddock - MirrorFootball.co.uk

Why there's a very real chance that Liverpool could go bust on October 6 unless fans act now


October 6. Put this date in your diary. It is the day when the very destiny of Liverpool Football Club will be decided.

If that sounds dramatic, then it is meant to be so, because on that day there is a real danger that one of the most famous and historic clubs in world football could be brought to its knees.

Let me say now, that Liverpool are actually a well-run, well managed club, which, even with its current commercial performance and before stadium development, could be among the most profitable in the English game.

They are broke though, for one very good reason: The burden of acquisition interest that is place directly on the club. Or in simple terms for those who prefer their information in English, Liverpool are paying millions every month for the dubious pleasure of Tom Hicks and George Gillett owning them.

If that is allowed to continue, if Tom Hicks and George Gillett are allowed to continue with their ownership under its current format, then it spells disaster for Liverpool. It could even see them go bust.

It really could happen. Hicks and Gillett want to sell their ‘soccer franchise’, but they also want to make a profit out of it. Indeed, they want – and need – to make a big profit.

At the moment it is clear there are no takers at their asking price. Rather than sell, they are now desperately trying to refinance to ensure they can hold on to the business until they CAN sell it at their valuation.

But to do that, they will probably have to borrow even more money at even higher rates, and use the club’s assets to underwrite those loans. And we all know what that means. If you don’t, just ask Portsmouth or Leeds fans.

So October 6 becomes vitally important. That is the date that the Americans’ current lenders, the Royal Bank of Scotland, have set for repayment of loans totalling around £285million at the last count.

By then, the Yanks must have either sold Liverpool, or raised the funds to replace that existing debt with new debt. Or – and here is an intriguing third possibility – have persuaded the RBS to extend those loans once more.

Every single Liverpool fan the world over now recognises the danger of that happening, because it will merely extend an essentially unsustainable financial structure at Anfield. It will merely extend the threat of the club collapsing.

Even the much-maligned board at Anfield recognises it. Apparently, Chairman Martin Broughton and MD Christian Purslow, along with commercial director Ian Ayre, have already resisted one attempt by the Americans to use the club’s assets against new loans.

They know Liverpool could well be doomed if the Yanks hold on to power, and they seem to understand that the best interests of the club certainly aren’t served by that nightmare scenario.

I say seem to understand, because Broughton seems to have decided that the fans don’t deserve any information about what the hell is going on through the Merseyside media. He seems only to be prepared to talk to obscure business sources.

Purslow too, seems to have gone into hiding, bizarrely breaking off all contact with the fans, through the media, for the past six months. Attempts to ask him questions – as fans on a popular Liverpool website have tried to do recently – are met with silence, as are all interview requests.

But credit to them both and to Ayre, there is no question they are trying to resist the Americans’ attempts to retain control. For all the criticism aimed their way, much of it justified, they are trying to do what the fans so desperately want. They are trying to do the right thing, and fans shouldn’t forget that.

Without wishing to be too pessimistic though, there are no guarantees they will succeed. Already there are rumours of a legal challenge to the three directors blocking the two Americans on the board.

And who amongst us doesn’t believe that after decades of the most cunning business dealings that have made them both billionaires, that Gillett and Hicks aren’t stealthy enough to somehow pull off their latest despicable plan.

They are ruthless enough, after a combined ten decades in the leveraged buy-out business, that is for sure. Don’t think for one second they are going to roll over and simply accept that Liverpool will be taken from them and sold at a loss.

Which is why October 6 is so important. Let’s get real again here for a second. The RBS are making millions of pounds of profit from Liverpool, who so far have had no trouble at all meeting the repayments. In that sense, it is a gilt-edged investment for them.

So they will be reluctant to let it go easily, and still – possibly – open to persuasion from the Americans to extend, if yet more guarantees are proferred.

Other banks may well feel the same, that there is easy, unrisky profit to be made from extending credit to Hicks and Gillett, because the club will meet the liability. And that is the true danger to Liverpool as a storied club.

It is where the fans must come in, because it is down to them to stop either the RBS or any other bank perpetuating the current nightmare that has engulfed Anfield and threatened its very future.

Supporters are already responding in their thousands. I have highlighted here before the work of Kopfaithful, who are actively campaigning to ensure the RBS realise the risks of a massive backlash if they are to extend the Americans’ loans.

They have an intelligent, well-organised campaign which has spoken to MPs in the House of Commons, to major financial institutions in the UK and to major media outlets in the U.S., explaining the feelings of millions of worried Liverpool supporters.

They discovered that the Americans have approached at least 10 different institutions for refinance funding, and are now fervently trying to block that possibility, by orchestrating an email campaign to the likes of the Wall St Journal and NYTimes.

They are also making it clear to the RBS that there will be massive opposition if they don’t act in the best interests of Liverpool fans. The bank’s HQ in Edinburgh will allow access to vistors as part of an open house scheme on September 25, and guess who plans to be there?!

Kopfaithful want to talk to RBS Chief Executive Stephen Hester, to make clear the opposition to the Americans.

They are backed by several fans’ groups too, who are all aware of the dangers facing Liverpool right now. Influential websites such as Red and White Kop and You’ll Never Walk Alone are meeting along with several others this very evening, to discuss tactics. They are planning protests that will highlight the depth of feeling, and the potential power of such a massive body of committed support.

And that’s where you can help if you are a true Liverpool fan. October 6 is D-Day, and the more supporters make clear their opposition to any institution offering finance to the Americans, the less chance of it happening.

Back Kopfaithful, back Red and White Kop, back all the other fans’ groups who love Liverpool and are desperate to save the club. Do it calmly, nicely, but back them.

There is a chance that the Americans’ plans to refinance can be blocked, and if that happens, then there is a real chance the RBS can assume temporary control as they seek to sell the club to a responsible buyer.

If that can happen, then Liverpool can be great again. They already make an operating profit because they are operating efficiently without the Americans’ debt.

Without ownership debt on the club they can build a new stadium and turn profits – which can be invested in playing assets – that will make most Premiership MDs’ eyes water. So it is D-Day at Anfield on October 6, and you, the fan, can have a massive say in what happens.

enfin,bon,c'est comme le capitalisme,c'est pas moral,tout ça ,mais c'est pas illégal.
ils ne font qu'utiliser la loi à leurs fins.

H&G C'est pas possible comment peuvent-ils accepter cette situation

Merci pour l'article.
Mais dans quel monde vivent ils?? Le pire, c'est que je ne comprends même pas ce que Hicks et Gillett espèrent en pourrissant la situation comme ça. Un acheteur à leurs conditions n'arrivera jamais. Et pendant ce temps, le club, donc leur produit à vendre, devient chaque jour plus endetté et encore moins vendable...
Ca n'a juste aucune logique. Dans ces cas à, généralement, on essaie de limiter la casse.
Incompréhensible, vraiment.

Pas de panique, la Banque prend la main et les américains vivent leurs derniers jours en tant que présidents

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/09/rbs-tom-hicks-george-gillett-sell-liverpool

RBS moves to force George Gillett and Tom Hicks to sell Liverpool

• RBS places club's loans into its toxic-assets division
• Deadline for refinancing of owners' loans is 6 October

Tom Hicks and George Gillett's ill-starred reign as owners of Liverpool looks like having less than a month to run after the club's loans with Royal Bank of Scotland were placed into its toxic-assets division.

The deadline for the refinancing of the owners' personal loans from RBS is 6 October, and that now looks set to be the date that Hicks and Gillett's association with England's most successful club will end. The bank's decision to switch the debts to its Global Restructuring Group is the strongest possible signal that these loans will not be extended.

The co-owners' previous attempt to refinance the debts in June, when they are believed to have offered to secure the loans against their US assets, was overruled by the club's board, led by the chairman, Martin Broughton. Now, with the loans having been shifted into RBS's so-called "bad bank", where all toxic assets have been housed since last year, it is clear the club's lender has also adopted a more steely stance towards the Americans.

One source with a knowledge of Liverpool's dealings with RBS said: "If it has been taken out of the hands of the corporate banking department they'll have a much more ruthless approach on 6 October." An informed view from another source close to the situation is that the bank would hope to sell the club, possibly at a knockdown price, in the coming weeks or as soon possible after 6 October.

According to the club's accounts to July 2009 Liverpool's owners owe £237.4m to RBS. Through companies in the UK and overseas, Hicks and Gillett are also personally exposed to tens of millions of pounds in other commitments to the club and its lender. These have been a mixture of cash, which the pair have injected through equity, and guarantees to the RBS loans. Last year's accounts stated these amounted to £145.3m, but it is believed to have risen dramatically after the last refinancing agreed five months ago.

RBS would hope to achieve an orderly sale without having to take control of Liverpool. However, depending on the terms of the April refinancing agreement – which have never been made public – that may prove difficult if the co-owners, who value the club at £800m, refuse to go quietly.

One tool at RBS's disposal is to force the insolvency of Liverpool's UK parent and associated companies. It is clear from mortgage documents lodged with Companies House that in the event of default RBS has the power to place Kop Football and Kop Football (Holdings), as well as Gillett's loan-security vehicle, Football UK Ltd, into administration. However that would be unpalatable for the bank, Liverpool's board and the Premier League since it would require the imposition of a nine-point penalty on the club.

By exercising those clauses the bank would also effectively take control of Liverpool. Although RBS's restructuring group describes itself as being responsible for "the management of any problem lending portfolios", the bank has no long-term plans to hold the club as its subsidiary. Instead it is expected RBS would prefer to fulfil another of its stated aims – the "maximising [of] debt recoveries" – by selling the club in short order.

That means there are also strong signs RBS will now be prepared to accept a knockdown price in order to cut its ties. During negotiations with prospective buyers Broughton, and the investment bank advising him, Barclays Capital, have maintained that Liverpool's debts with RBS must be paid in full as a minimum sale price.

Provided buyers still retain an interest in taking over Liverpool beyond 6 October, it will mean a more orderly sale process. There would be only one party for purchasers to negotiate with and the club's debts would be manageable.

The departure of Hicks and Gillett is an outcome that would delight Liverpool fans. The Kop Faithful group wrote in an open letter to the RBS group's chief executive, Stephen Hester, this week: "Hicks and Gillett were proved to be no more than a pair of liars. The promised 'no Glazer style buy out' was all of a sudden [a leveraged buy out] – a club £350m in debt to effectively buy itself, when it had been sold for less than £180m in what seemed no time before."

M'sieur l'marquis a écrit:Pas de panique, la Banque prend la main et les américains vivent leurs derniers jours en tant que présidents

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/09/rbs-tom-hicks-george-gillett-sell-liverpool

Avec un peu de chance, j'aurai gagné d'ici là, 3 fois de suite a l'euro million !

Même G.Neville a plus d'estime pour notre club que les 2 ricains

Man Utd : Neville dégoûté par Chelsea et Manchester City

Depuis des dizaines d'années, les fans de Manchester United et de Liverpool se détestent. Gary Neville (35 ans, aucun match de Premier League en 2010/2011) devrait avoir le même sentiment puisqu'il a été formé chez les Red Devils.

Mais le joueur qui a toujours porté le maillot mancunien préfère encore le club de la Mersey à Chelsea ou à Manchester City qui ne doivent, selon lui, leurs succès qu'à leurs richissimes propriétaires.

"Lorsque j'étais plus jeune, il n'y avait pas de doute : j'étais un fan de Manchester United. Liverpool gagnait tout et c'était une période horrible pour nous dans les années 70 et 80."

"J'ai du respect envers ce club car il y a une tradition et une histoire qui n'existe pas pour d'autres écuries qui sont arrivées en force ces dernières années grâce à l'argent.", a lâché le latéral lors d'un point presse repris dans le Daily Mirror.

Je vais essayer de poster un message optimiste (pour une fois ), mais je me fais une réflexion depuis quelques jours.

Imaginons un repreneur à l'heure. S'il souhaite acheter le club, n'est-il pas obligé de mettre une offre sur la table qui correspond à ce que demandent G&H?

Le repreneur n'a-t-il pas intérêt à attendre le 6 octobre et discuter avec la RBS directement, au quel cas le montant de l'achat de LFC correspondrait environ à la dette? Si tel est le cas, le repreneur éventuel pourrait déjà prendre contact avec la RBS maintenant en leur disant d'attendre le 6 octobre pour faire une offre concrète à ce moment-là (si elle n'est pas encore faite),